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New Content: Enter the Flungeon
692 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 27th 2022 at 8:14 AM
jpl77
I agree with Aquafishy. I don't need gold, xp or sapphires (that's my opinion, and I know other players need them). The rewards do not equal the energy and time required to complete the Flungeon.

I have previously shared my thoughts in an email, but I'm going to post them here for everyone. My status: I've completed 8 Flungeons, and rebooted 2x. I've seen the Gate Keeper only 3 or 4 times in over 100 depths (average about 30 depths to see them).

Summary: Flungeon takes too long to reboot. Needs option to skip ahead. TOO GRINDY. Gets boring. Gate Keeper should be accessible all the time. Flungeon fishing spot needs to spawn more often. Fishing for glitches takes a long time.




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1. I'm enjoying the new concept, however it's a proper grind. Almost too much. Personally I like a challenge and I like an increasing difficulty, but I don't enjoy the gameplay purposely forcing slower play. I feel a few of the additions to the flungeon are only meant to be slow and aggravating. Please don't slow us down, just make the difficulty / resources scale up. don't scale down the speed.

The idea of rebirth or prestige is not new to me. I love those types of game mechanics. But I wish rebooting the flux didn't take so long. Increasing difficulty is perfect, but I feel like it takes way too long to redo the initial tiers after a reboot.

I'd like to see a skip feature. With skipping or quick boot, players can either pay a premium price (busy bucks) to skip over the lowest tiers, they can skip lower tiers and elect to not receive the lower tier rewards, or the fee to skip low tiers is calculated at the energy costs of manually clicking however the sum energy to skip subtracted from the energy bar.

Summary, it's boring and grindy to redo the initial easy (low level) reboot tiers.

2. Gate keeper is really random and hardly shows up. I completed flungeon 4 and didn't see the gate keeper in those 20 tiers. It took well into flungeon 5 to see the gate keeper again.

In a previous email I suggested having the gate keeper available sooner. I'm not suggesting the free mana, power and energy fountain, but just access to the gate keeper so we can turn in flungeon trophies. Honestly that NPC is more the Fountain Keeper because they show up with the fountain and fishing hole. The Gate Keeper should be at the literally gate to the Flungeon 😉.

3. For the armoured bushes and monster bushes can you change the way they are whacked? I'd like the ability to whack the bush once if I have the required energy, power, mana etc. Example, if the monster bush requires 300x whacks and each whack is 100 energy, can the game just take the 30,000 energy all at once? This goes back to spending up the process but not changing the difficulty or resource requirements.
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 27th 2022 at 8:50 AM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 8:55 AM
BarbZak
.WOW the rewards are literally skimpy.

UPDATE..: 6 flux dust from 3rd Flux Fulcrum....whoopie..I rather have flux flax to plant....IMO

Nick if you can, take that RANDOM stuff out FOR FISHING N POOL AND GATEKEEPER...plzz n ty.I have had 4 sudoku puzzles ,,wow they sure are not random,where oh where is the fishing, fountain and keeper at..

Jpl does have some suggestions, if you will listen to him at least.ILtkwhatProgram '''it is using lolol

'''FYI'''Sunday March 27th....REBOOT finally worked this time so you owe me 1 more on achievement..bugs bugs bugs galore.. P.

THIS is not fun anymore Nick...this is veryy annoying to say the least, some ppl are afraid to say their comment on here, BUT not me..but they sure say it on chat tho....many have left I was told..as well..I dont blame them at all..!!!So many dam ?????? they ask...and we have no answers...????
535 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 27th 2022 at 12:40 PM
Matthew Kliparchuk
Like everything google has a puzzle solver heres a soduku site https://www.sudoku-solutions.com/ Ty nick for the hard work that you put into this

I think get rid of the power bushes but let us go back to the previous flux to refill mana for the mana bushes im not a big fan of the slider puzzle my self.
239 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 28th 2022 at 12:26 AM
Anubischick
Matthew, there are a number of slider puzzle solvers on the net too, or you could use the tried and true row, column, row, column method. I used to dislike sliders, now they are simple.
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 28th 2022 at 10:57 AM
Last Edited March 28th 2022 at 11:35 AM
BarbZak
OHH My, what ever you do do NOT go back to flux 20.FOR Quiests ..I lost my fishing area.I thought i could go back to fishing,,,,dam it I am totally peeved off here...Now I am on tier 2,,7/10 and reboot is 50 depths now not 30..like before.

IT also took me over 30 depths to get that flocking fishing, Gkeeper to show up and NO fountain yet......
692 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 7:47 AM
jpl77
Gate Keeper? https://media.giphy.com/media/hEc4k5pN17GZq/giphy.gif
3423 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 8:55 AM
Nickshire (CNE Dev)
Cross-posting my reply on the latest Forum Q&A:

Thanks for more feedback on the Flungeon. No hard feelings if you're not enjoying it. I'm still looking to make improvements to it!

I do want to mention that the real feature in the Flungeon is less about "whacking in slightly different fields" and more about the progression achieved throughout the dungeon, achieved by doing the same thing you've been doing in the Flux: completing a field puzzle.

It's about reaching higher tiers and earning that new currency, on top of the Flux Dust you were already making before. It's intended to be: what you were doing in the Flux already, but more! Flux Plus.

Every tier you complete nets you the same Flux Dust you would for completing the same number of puzzles puzzle-pieces, plus more stuff.

If you wanted to do away with the rising costs and just complete puzzles over and over, it's still possible in the Flungeon. Just reboot after the first or second tier. The costs will go down to the same as before, and you'll continue to get that Flux Dust. Every time the cost flattens, you could try delving a few extra depths, inching your way to more progress within the dungeon, while doing the same thing you were already doing in the Flux fields.

Anyways, my intention for the Flungeon update was to supplement the activity you were already doing in the Flux while waiting for content. After you've completed all the adventures and other Flux fields, you could plumb the depths of the Flungeon. Completing puzzles and earning progress and more.

I hope that better explains the purpose of this update. As always, feedback and suggestions are appreciated!
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 9:02 AM
BarbZak
OKay fine Nick ,,but I want to see that we can re-enter the fishing area when we want too..and not make it random every 15 odd depths..+.

All I was getting was the dam sudouk puzzles I had 4 of them..Get rid of random idea you have put in place and make it more enjoyable to play ???
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Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 9:09 AM
Nickshire (CNE Dev)
For sure! I've been reading the feedback, and am planning to:

- Improve the area rewards (They're currently balanced around the same drops in the Quester's Satchels)
- Allow regular access to the Fountain Depth
- The ability to turn-in Trophy Items at the glitch by the dungeon entrance
- Investigate the too-frequent occurrence of the Sudoku puzzle
- Fix the Dungeon UI blocking clicking some bushes
- Re-entering the dungeon from the front gate moving you on to the next area if you've opened the chest in that area
- Potentially some way to accelerate the tiers you've already completed after a reboot, for those more concerned with progressing to higher tiers than with collecting Flux Dust
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 9:18 AM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 10:30 AM
BarbZak
okay thanks Nick for listening to all of Us players !!!!

Those changes will be good I see LQQK,,,


CAN U GET THEM CHANGED SOON Nick.(not yelling either).
187 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 9:43 AM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 9:48 AM
blackmangopit
I am a methodical player and I just don't understand ANYTHING about the Flungeon. I have solved 2 puzzles, apparently I'm in tier 1, depth 3 - I don't even know what that means. I can't go back once I enter an area and forced to continue. If I find all the puzzle pieces I can't keep playing, I'm forced to stop whacking even though I have quests not finished and I must solve the puzzle. I really have no idea how this new area works and I've read the blog info. It's just way too confusing. I just want to earn Flux dust and since this content has been added, I would have already earned 4-5 Flux dust on the single puzzle I've been working on in Flux 14 and now I have no idea when I'm going to be able to earn that Level 10 SuperTrinket. I have to solve 5 puzzles to earn 3 Flux Dust and spend even more energy? How is that fair? I spend twice the amount of time trying to solve these 100 piece puzzles than the known 144 piece ones. I don't care about any rewards, I just want the Flux Dust and something that was a constant for me is now completely unknown. I am really frustrated with this and don't want to do it.

I have 3 Flux levels with all found puzzle pieces that I can't even solve to earn the Flux dust because it looks like I can't even earn it anymore. Can someone help me to understand how this content will benefit me? I really don't want to play anymore and the only option I have is to go to all of the 19 other Flux areas and find the puzzle pieces and not solve them- just wait and hope that Devs will allow me to earn Flux dust this way. My life has been in chaos for the last 2 years, I want a simple game to put a half hour toward to just unwind and relax. I can't even do that anymore. Unhappy player now, and I've been a loyal fan of BW since the first iteration.
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 10:46 AM
BarbZak
@blackmangopit...just keep reading the blog for Flugeon.to understand , it take time to adjust...IMO
187 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 10:53 AM
blackmangopit
And how does this content benefit me or anyone with similar feelings towards it? It does not add to the game, it makes it harder to earn the Flux rewards I was on track for. It should have been added as additional content beyond Flux 20, not in place of anything before that!
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 11:00 AM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 11:01 AM
BarbZak
Yes I agree with that, blackmangopit...BUT Nick does what he wants to do with out us players vote !! on it .
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 12:10 PM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 12:11 PM
BarbZak
????? see gate keeper lololol below https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/facts/cheetah?????+plus 2 diff cheetahs. lolol
3423 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 12:19 PM
Last Edited March 29th 2022 at 12:19 PM
Nickshire (CNE Dev)
With all the feedback, I'll look into re-enabling the basic flux fields. At least while I work on improving the Flungeon, but perhaps forever, turning the Flungeon into a higher-yield pursuit.

Sorry for the inconvenience, everyone! I appreciate your patience.
3423 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 1:17 PM
Nickshire (CNE Dev)
By popular demand, I have re-enabled collecting Flux Dust from flux fields!
187 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 1:30 PM
blackmangopit
Yay! Thank you Nick!!! As always, you are much appreciated. I want to like the new content, hopefully in the future I will move on to Flungeon but I very much love the Flux as it is. Thank you again! 🥳
394 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 1:31 PM
BarbZak
@ Nick ,,out of 30/30 Plus 28/50.. = 58 delves and I got the fishing ONCE..NOW how fair is that Nick.come on..I am fed up like many are!!
59 Posts
Link to post - Posted March 29th 2022 at 1:48 PM
VikingHelga
Thank You Nick, for re-enabling the Flux Dust from flux fields!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!