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Hi Nick, here's my first bits of feedback.

Get rid of the power, energy and mana whack bushes.

No-one likes them. I have never seen or heard of anyone who is happy to see them. In fact they are actively disliked. They probably rate right up there with the sugarless energy drinks for general dislike.

Before you could pretty much avoid them once you'd got through the fields with them by simply avoiding the side quest where they appear and forgoing the extra pets. Now you can't if you wish to continue. It locks players into a mechanism they actively dislike in order to progress.

Also given how they spawn, if you reach a point where you don't have enough mana or power to clear them you cannot proceed unless you leave the flungeon and normal whack somewhere else to build up a bank of power/mana and then come back, which feels very disheartening.

Additionally this whole 'the only place you can get flux dust now is the flungeon' is quite off-putting. I'm now locked into the way you want me to play the game rather than the way I want to do so. A suggestion I'd make is that you have the flungeon as flux 20 and above and the older fluxes can stay as they are where you can do your 144 puzzle pieces = 1 flux dust, that way I can choose how I wish to progress in the game, not be forced into a path that, given the bushes mentioned in my first point, I am actively going to dislike playing.

If you do allow that to continue at least then when the irritating coloured bushes stop me I can go back to an earlier flux and actually earn something to enable me to progress whilst I'm building up the mana/power to get through the flungeon. Though I really REALLY want you to get rid of those bushes instead.

I understand you want something new, and you want to offer something different but for me at least, this is not it. This is just going to make me want to walk away. People like BW2 because of its simplicity, because it's a way to while away an hour or two in a relaxing manner, not because it's something you have to overcome to proceed.

We, or at least I as I should not speak for others, don't want to be frustrated by this game. We want it be relaxing with cute characters that have an ongoing tale and some terrible puns. Not something that means we have to do actively pointless things in order to move forward.

Anyway, that was a bit of an essay but I wanted to explain why I've said what I've said and not just say "Don't do this" which isn't helpful.

Cheers
AC

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I have to completely agree with Anubischick. I don't remember (when doing the Prismatic areas, or wherever the "special" bushes were first introduced) ever having all 6 bushes in the area be the "special" ones before -- so if 5 were power bushes, you could just keep whacking at that one non-special one until you got back 3 power, and then remove one of the special ones again. Twice today I had no power and had 6 power "special" bushes in the Flungeon. Returning to the Flux 20.0 at least let me use up some mana until I was able to get back 3 power, but (since it no longer can get Flux 20.0 puzzle pieces -- and assuming that the 4 missing trinkets will eventually be introduced, we will someday need to solve four more Flux 20.0 puzzles, it doesn't feel "right.")

At least limit the number of "special" bushes. 5 for maximum frustration, 4 for still-mostly-fun. But 6 is just agonizing.

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I see jpl has completed 4 tiers and I got only 1 key.Are we not supposed to get a reward from EACH TIER he has completed by being the 1st player..I see he was a busy beaver big time.gg..jpl....and I CANNOT FIND THE GLITCH KEEPER..IN FLUNGEON .???? TO HAND IN MY gobbledy glitch,, ????

UPDATE He has completed 5 tiers now and only got my 2nd key..?????


I cannot load my super trinket on slot 5 at all.and I do not want to upgrade it if possible ..but it is now 10.1... NOW I cannot even SAVE IT in my 5th trinket slot...tried many times.(even at level 10 it wouldnt save .)..THis better not be mandatory....:(

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I understand you want something new, and you want to offer something different but for me at least, this is not it. This is just going to make me want to walk away. People like BW2 because of its simplicity, because it's a way to while away an hour or two in a relaxing manner, not because it's something you have to overcome to proceed.

We, or at least I as I should not speak for others, don't want to be frustrated by this game. We want it be relaxing with cute characters that have an ongoing tale and some terrible puns. Not something that means we have to do actively pointless things in order to move forward.

Anyway, that was a bit of an essay but I wanted to explain why I've said what I've said and not just say "Don't do this" which isn't helpful.

from AC,,

I SOLELY Agree this is way too much thinking or something and it is also confusing BIG TIME....IMO..

There is no story etc etc to this..wayy too much diff things going on to my liking as well.I did a sudoku puzzle tho..(yukk)...


This game was once fun to play, well not anymore. Even my runes etc are not working or doing what they are supposed too do....

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Thank you for adjusting the max quantity of special bushes in a field. I think it's too early for me to give any constructive feedback.

239 Posts

Hi Nick,

Thanks for listening I really appreciate the fast response. It's not the response I want, as I really want those bushes gone, but a compromise of a maximum (I'd prefer 3 if possible) and at least 1 flux still allowing the gathering of flux dust so you can use it to build up a better supply of needed currency for those coloured bushes would make this less onerous.

I get this isn't the on-going content with aforementioned cute characters and terrible puns (which I like, I should have made that clear), but the flux itself has become a bit of a relaxing spot, where the BW can chill and just nibble away at that super trinket and dream of the days to come and adventures yet to unfurl, so while it's not scripted content, it is content.

I'm hoping tweaking will continue so that players will choose to stay, there are a couple of discords for BW2 out there and some of the comments (including my own) have been along the lines of walking away, and like most I don't really want to do that.

I have another suggestion, though I understand this may not be possible to do, allow a reboot after a depth, not a tier. That way if someone does run into those bushes and really can't stand them/can't progress they can simply reboot the flungeon and get a, hopefully, different random effect.

Also, I don't know if there is a timer or something in the background to prevent the same effect showing up in two depths in a row, but if there isn't perhaps implement one. That way you won't run up against the same barrier depth after depth.

Time to head back into the flungeon and see what the next bit holds (and more feedback, probably)

Cheers
AC

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so im going to chime in and say my piece about the flungeon....

Firstly the special bushes first appeared in a Nate or Kaine quest in the Salt Desert, and if i remember rightly enough players "Enjoyed" the bushes, so i guess that's why nick added them to the recently released (Last Year) Prismatic Passage zone part 1, and the current Flungeon, on that note

Secondly, last year Nick did something similar, called THE LOST WOODS or something like that, which i know for a fact was plagued with bugs/glitches, i hope this time round is a lot better and such,

so from what i have read already there is no love for the special bushes, and no liking for the amount of puzzle pieces we have to whack up, i have come up with a possible solution....


- Firstly the puzzle pieces, what if it was changed to 28 puzzle pieces per field equaling too 144 puzzle pieces per Tier, hope that made sense

- Special bushes - it seems nick is fixing this atm,

happy to hear folks thoughts