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- Posted April 13th 2013 at 5:06 AM
jpl77Last Edited April 13th 2013 at 5:10 AM Won +15 mana and a Nothing with a power whack of 540 with Sturdy Vials activated yet I only got my max mana bar (550).
So the vials broke :( I should have won 15x270 = 4050 mana! Worst part was that the counter reduced on the Sturdy Vials showing that it did activate. |
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- Posted April 13th 2013 at 1:59 PM
RaymondI don't really play this game any more but I know many things, still.
Sturdy Vials = Your next multiplied Mana or Power will not be smashed. OK, Smashed is from 4 to say 8, while unsmashed mana or power can be 18 or 19. No matter what, even mana or power=2 times full power will hit your max mana or power level. Your max mana or power Limit is not raised and is not made ineffectual. If you want more then max power or mana you need the major and/or minor power or mana boost, and even then, the max is 150% of your normal max. Nobody ever got thousands of mana. That would be really unfair. A spell to remove the limit would be great but is never going to happen. |
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 3:11 PM
jpl77Disagree with you Raymond. Even you stated the point of Sturdy vials, which means the vials won't be broken = you won't waste extra mana/power over and above your normal maximum capacity. That is what happens during normal game play, wasted power and mana when you exceed your maximum.
Yes, there are different spells that increase capacity, but that is not related to Sturdy Vials. Don't confuse the two. If I wanted to increase my Power capacity which is ,540, I'd cast Minor (+20%) and stack that with Major Power boost (+30%) which would give me [(540+108)+194.4] = 842.4 power. I could then take that 840 and power whack the crap out of something else, once I saved up all that Power from quick whacking, but who is to say I would win anything when I did a x842 Power whack...... That IS the point of spells, to give you that ability. You have to play smart and strategically. If you know how to combine skills/powers/trinkets etc in certain manner, then obviously you will get benefits. It is not unfair as you call it, that is just how it works out. |
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 4:19 PM
RaymondNope you are still wrong and reading into my reply just what you want to read into it but its wrong.
With that spell the vials themselves are not broken, instead of whacking an 18 bush and getting a smashed vial =4, you get a real one valued =19. If you had used a power of 10 on that you would have 190 mana, not the 40 mana it would have been if it were smashed. The size of the mana vial is smashed (4) or not smashed (19) your power used is whatever it is and if its high then no matter what your mana is, smashed or not, it will not get above the mana max. Smashed has nothing to do with mana limit, nothing at all, smashed is whether the vial is a tiny version of it or a regular sized one. Your problem is thinking that smashed in any way is related to the limit, it is not, smashed is the size of the mana or power bottle, the bottles can normally be 1 to 19 depending on if you whack value 1 to value 18 bushes, smashed is roughly 1/4 to 1/6 of that size are are usually 4-6. When too many people were playing forever by hitting regular fruit with full power the developers invented smashed so one would get less. They also added that to mana and power but that had never been a problem or issue since mana ad power have the limit and has always had the limit. now to semantics: "vials won't be broken" is A and "you won't waste extra mana/power over and above your normal maximum capacity" is B and that's a completely totally unrelated thing from A. do an experiment. have no spells active. whack a bunch of bushes with power. look at the play history or win history. most of the time the mana or power you hit is a smashed mana or power but occasionally it will be a regular sized one. look at the unit value of that, not the multiplied result, smashed is small, regular unsmashed is as large as the bush and can be 1 bigger. big power will get lots of nothings, and lots of gold, and lots of gems, and if you are lucky lots of energy (but fruit also comes in smashed variety) because nothings, gold, gems and energy have no limit. big power will get you to your mana max or power max because there are limits of mana and power. Yes there is a limit on energy, but that only applies to time tick and fishing increases, winning fruit has always allowed very large lucky energy wins. nobody ever has ever had a power or a mana win of over say 900, not ever, even before smashed things (again smashed is a size of an object) things were invented. write a trouble ticket and the devs will say the same thing, smashed is not whether or not a multiplied object will get limited by the max, smashed is the size of the fruit, mana or power that may or may not then be multiplied by power if you used that. In that experiment you will see that almost all fruit, mana and power is smashed and not as big as the bushes in the area you whacked. a lot of info here, but it is you who is misinterpreting what smashed means. I only brought in the 'limit' thing for which there is a spell because you think smashed means something completely differently then what it is. |
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 5:52 PM
RaymondYou yourself proved that your whack was not smashed.
"+15 mana" I'm assuming that you hit a 14 or 15 bush or monster. If it were smashed it would have been 4 or 5 not the 15 that you uncovered. Doesn't matter how much power/multiplier you used, that is a completely different thing altogether. |
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 6:33 PM
jpl77April 14th
7:17:20PM Energy Refill (+444 ) 12 +444 456 45 322 2612142 7:13:34PM You helped your friend out and got 1 Sapphire! 444 +-432 12 45 322 2612142 7:13:32PM You got a Citrine that Sandra Clay Greenzweig shared from their daily bonus lottery winnings! 444 45 322 2612142 7:13:32PM Energy Refill (+432 ) 12 +432 444 45 322 2612142 4:13:35PM You got a Kiwi (+12 energy) that Sharon Ingram shared from their daily bonus lottery winnings! 0 +12 12 45 322 2612142 4:13:22PM (-54) Nothing Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Puzzle Piece +15 Gold 0 99 -54 45 322 2612142 4:13:12PM (-54) Nothing +14 Mana Propeller Hat +14 Power +14 Gold +14 Mana 0 125 -54 +28 99 308 +14 322 2611974 4:13:07PM (-54) +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Mana +1 Ruby +14 Gold Nothing 0 165 -54 +14 125 308 2611806 4:12:55PM (-42 ) +14 Mana +14 Gold Nothing 42 -42 0 151 +14 165 308 2611554 +84 2611638 4:12:51PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +1 Citrine +14 Gold 126 -84 42 151 308 2611386 +168 2611554 4:12:35PM Energy Refill (+54 ) 72 +54 126 151 308 2611386 3:49:51PM (-84 ) +19 Energy Nothing +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Mana Nothing +14 Gold 137 -84 +19 72 109 +42 151 308 2611218 +168 2611386 3:49:49PM Energy Refill (+6 ) 131 +6 137 109 308 2611218 3:49:46PM (-84 ) +14 Power +14 Gold Nothing +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Mana 215 -84 131 95 +14 109 294 +14 308 2611050 +168 2611218 3:49:41PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Power +14 Gold +1 Citrine Nothing +14 Gold 299 -84 215 95 280 +14 294 2610882 +168 2611050 3:49:37PM (-84 ) +14 Mana +14 Power +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Mana Nothing 383 -84 299 39 +56 95 266 +14 280 2610714 +168 +378 383 39 266 2610714 1:10:24PM (-54) Puzzle Piece +14 Power +15 Gold +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Power 5 93 -54 39 238 +28 266 2610714 1:10:20PM (-54) +14 Power Nothing +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Power 5 105 -54 +42 93 210 +28 238 2610546 1:10:16PM (-54) +15 Gold +14 Mana Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +1 Citrine +14 Power +14 Power 5 145 -54 +14 105 182 +28 210 2610378 1:10:13PM (-54) +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Mana +14 Mana +15 Gold +14 Power 5 171 -54 +28 145 168 +14 182 2610210 1:10:11PM (-54) +14 Power +14 Mana +14 Gold +15 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Nothing 5 211 -54 +14 171 154 +14 168 2610042 1:10:08PM (-56 ) +14 Gold +14 Power +1 Aquamarine +14 Gold 61 -56 5 211 140 +14 154 2609762 +112 2609874 1:10:04PM (-84 ) Nothing +18 Energy +14 Mana Puzzle Piece +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold 127 -84 +18 61 197 +14 211 140 2609594 +168 2609762 1:10:00PM (-84 ) Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold Nothing Nothing Nothing +14 Gold 211 -84 127 197 140 2609426 +168 2609594 1:09:49PM Energy Refill (+6 ) 205 +6 211 197 140 2609426 1:09:04PM You completed the 'Jungle Artifacts' quest and got some rewards. 205 197 140 2609426 1:08:51PM (-84 ) Ruin Fragment x1 The Last Ruin Fragment +1 Aquamarine +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Power +1 Citrine 289 -84 205 183 +14 197 126 +14 140 2608758 +168 2608926 1:08:47PM (-84 ) Nothing Puzzle Piece +14 Gold Nothing +14 Power Puzzle Piece 373 -84 289 183 112 +14 126 2608590 +168 2608758 1:08:44PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold 457 -84 373 183 112 2608422 +168 2608590 1:08:41PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +1 Citrine +14 Power +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold Nothing 541 -84 457 183 98 +14 112 2608254 +168 2608422 1:08:37PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Gold Nothing Nothing +1 Citrine 625 -84 541 183 98 2608086 +168 2608254 1:08:34PM (-84 ) +14 Power Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +15 Gold +14 Power +14 Mana Nothing 709 -84 625 169 +14 183 70 +28 98 2607918 +168 2608086 1:08:30PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +1 Citrine +14 Power +14 Gold Nothing +14 Power +15 Gold 793 -84 709 169 42 +28 70 2607750 +168 2607918 1:08:27PM (-84 ) +1 Sapphire +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Ruin Fragment x1 +14 Mana 877 -84 793 155 +14 169 42 2607582 +168 2607750 1:08:23PM (-84 ) +1 Aquamarine Nothing +14 Mana Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +14 Mana 961 -84 877 127 +28 155 42 2607414 +168 2607582 1:08:20PM (-84 ) +16 Energy +14 Gold +14 Power +14 Gold Puzzle Piece +14 Power +14 Gold +14 Gold 1029 -84 +16 961 127 14 +28 42 2607246 +168 2607414 1:08:17PM (-84 ) +14 Power +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Gold Nothing 1113 -84 1029 85 +42 127 0 +14 14 2607078 +168 2607246 1:08:14PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Gold +14 Gold Nothing +19 Energy +14 Gold 1178 -84 +19 1113 71 +14 85 0 2606910 +168 2607078 1:07:56PM You bid 17000 gold on an auction for a Auction Bread. 1178 71 0 2606910 1:07:42PM You collected some auction winnings: Auction Bread! 48 +1130 1178 71 0 2606910 1:07:18PM Energy Refill (+6 ) 42 +6 48 71 0 2606910 1:07:18PM (-14 ) x270 x270 +4050 Gold x270 x270 +3780 Gold 56 -14 42 71 540 -540 0 2606882 +28 2606882 1:07:11PM (-54) Nothing +14 Gold +14 Mana +15 Gold +16 Energy +15 Gold 40 +16 56 111 -54 +14 71 540 2606882 1:07:05PM (-54) Ruin Fragment x1 +15 Gold +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold Skull Mask 40 165 -54 111 540 2606714 1:07:00PM (-54) Power Full Nothing +14 Mana Power Full +14 Gold +14 Gold Nothing +19 Energy 21 +19 40 205 -54 +14 165 540 2606546 1:06:56PM (-54) +14 Power Nothing +14 Power +14 Gold +17 Energy +12 Power Power Full 4 +17 21 259 -54 205 500 +40 540 2606378 1:06:25PM (-14 ) +14 Gold 18 -14 4 259 500 2606182 +28 2606210 1:06:16PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +15 Gold +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold 102 -84 18 259 500 2606014 +168 2606182 1:06:07PM (-84 ) Nothing Nothing Nothing +14 Power +14 Mana +14 Gold 186 -84 102 245 +14 259 486 +14 500 2605846 +168 2606014 1:06:02PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold Ruin Fragment x1 270 -84 186 245 486 2605678 +168 2605846 1:05:56PM (-84 ) Puzzle Piece +15 Gold +1 Aquamarine +14 Gold +15 Gold +1 Aquamarine 354 -84 270 245 486 2605510 +168 2605678 1:05:52PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +14 Mana +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Gold 438 -84 354 231 +14 245 486 2605342 +168 2605510 1:05:47PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Power +14 Gold Nothing +14 Power +15 Gold 522 -84 438 217 +14 231 458 +28 486 2605174 +168 2605342 1:05:43PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Power +14 Mana +19 Energy Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold 587 -84 +19 522 203 +14 217 444 +14 458 2605006 +168 2605174 1:05:38PM (-84 ) +1 Citrine +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold +1 Citrine Nothing +14 Gold 671 -84 587 203 444 2604838 +168 2605006 1:05:34PM (-84 ) Nothing +14 Mana Nothing +14 Power +14 Gold +1 Topaz +14 Mana 755 -84 671 175 +28 203 430 +14 444 2604670 +168 2604838 1:05:11PM (-84 ) Nothing Ruin Fragment x1 +14 Mana +14 Gold +16 Energy +19 Energy +14 Gold 804 -84 +35 755 161 +14 175 430 2604502 +168 2604670 1:05:04PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +1 Sapphire +14 Mana 888 -84 804 147 +14 161 430 2604334 +168 2604502 1:04:57PM (-84 ) +15 Gold Nothing Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Mana Nothing 972 -84 888 133 +14 147 430 2604166 +168 2604334 1:04:53PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Power Nothing +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold Nothing 1056 -84 972 133 416 +14 430 2603998 +168 2604166 1:04:48PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +14 Power Nothing Nothing +14 Gold +14 Mana Nothing 1140 -84 1056 119 +14 133 402 +14 416 2603830 +168 2603998 1:04:41PM Energy Refill (+0 ) 1140 119 402 2603830 1:03:52PM You bid 17000 gold on an auction for a Auction Bread. 1140 119 402 2603830 1:03:47PM You collected some auction winnings: Auction Bread! 10 +1130 1140 119 402 2603830 1:03:22PM You completed the 'A Grubby Problem' quest and got some rewards. 10 119 402 2603830 1:02:58PM (-28 ) +14 Gold Ruin Fragment x1 38 -28 10 119 402 2603274 +56 2603330 1:02:54PM (-84 ) +14 Power +15 Gold +14 Mana +14 Power +15 Gold +14 Mana Nothing 122 -84 38 91 +28 119 374 +28 402 2603106 +168 2603274 1:02:50PM (-84 ) +14 Mana Nothing Ruin Fragment x1 +14 Gold +14 Power Nothing 206 -84 122 77 +14 91 360 +14 374 2602938 +168 2603106 1:02:46PM (-84 ) +14 Mana +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Nothing +14 Mana 290 -84 206 49 +28 77 360 2602770 +168 2602938 1:02:42PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold Ruin Fragment x1 +14 Gold Ruin Fragment x1 374 -84 290 49 360 2602602 +168 2602770 1:02:36PM (-54) +1 Citrine +14 Mana +14 Mana +14 Gold Nothing +14 Gold +14 Power 374 75 -54 +28 49 346 +14 360 2602602 1:02:33PM (-54) +15 Gold +1 Aquamarine +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Power Nothing 374 129 -54 75 332 +14 346 2602434 1:02:31PM (-54) Nothing +14 Gold +15 Gold Nothing Nothing Nothing +19 Energy Nothing 355 +19 374 183 -54 129 332 2602266 1:02:29PM (-54) +14 Gold Nothing Nothing +1 Citrine Nothing +14 Gold 355 237 -54 183 332 2602098 1:02:26PM (-54) Puzzle Piece +19 Energy +14 Gold +14 Power +14 Power Nothing 336 +19 355 291 -54 237 304 +28 332 2601930 1:02:24PM You used an energy pack, restoring 231 energy! 105 +231 336 291 304 2601762 1:02:21PM (-54) Ruin Fragment x1 +14 Gold +14 Power +14 Gold +17 Energy +14 Gold 88 +17 105 345 -54 291 290 +14 304 2601762 1:02:15PM (-84 ) +14 Gold Nothing Ruin Fragment x1 +15 Gold Nothing Nothing +14 Gold +18 Energy 154 -84 +18 88 345 290 2601426 +168 2601594 1:02:11PM (-84 ) Nothing +14 Gold +1 Citrine +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold 238 -84 154 345 290 2601258 +168 2601426 1:02:08PM (-84 ) +14 Power +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Gold +14 Mana +14 Mana 322 -84 238 303 +42 345 276 +14 290 2601090 +168 2601258 1:02:05PM (-84 ) +1 Citrine +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Gold 406 -84 322 303 276 2600922 +168 2601090 1:02:01PM Energy Refill (+6 ) 400 +6 406 303 276 2600922 1:02:01PM (-84 ) +14 Gold +18 Energy +15 Gold +14 Power +14 Gold +14 Gold +14 Mana 466 -84 +18 400 289 +14 303 262 +14 276 2600754 +168 2600922 1:00:51PM You started the 'Progress to Level 100!' quest. 466 289 262 2600754 1:00:41PM You completed the 'Report Back to the Castle' quest and got some rewards. 466 289 262 2600754 1:00:10PM You started the 'Report Back to the Castle' quest. 466 289 262 2600254 1:00:02PM You completed the 'Evidence of Existence' quest and got some rewards. 466 289 262 2600254 12:59:55PM (-54) +15 Mana Unicorn... Evidence x1 +15 Gold 466 328 -54 +15 289 262 2599754 12:59:51PM (-54) +15 Power +15 Gold +15 Power 466 382 -54 328 232 +30 262 2599664 12:59:48PM (-54) Nothing +15 Power +16 Gold 466 436 -54 382 217 +15 232 2599574 12:59:31PM Energy Refill (+5 ) 461 +5 466 436 217 2599484 12:59:31PM (-89 ) +15 Gold +15 Gold +15 Gold +1 Citrine Puzzle Piece +15 Gold 550 -89 461 436 217 2599306 +178 2599484 12:59:26PM (-87 ) +14 Power +14 Gold +14 Gold +15 Gold +15 Gold Nothing Nothing +15 Gold +16 Gold 637 -87 550 436 203 +14 217 2599132 +174 2599306 12:59:22PM (-86 ) +15 Gold Nothing +1 Aquamarine +14 Gold +15 Gold +1 Citrine 723 -86 637 436 203 2598960 +172 2599132 12:59:09PM (-86 ) +18 Energy +14 Mana +14 Power Nothing +15 Power +15 Gold 791 -86 +18 723 422 +14 436 174 +29 203 2598788 +172 2598960 12:59:05PM (-87 ) +14 Power +14 Mana +56 Gold Nothing +15 Power Nothing 791 -87 791 422 +14 422 174 +29 174 2598788 +174 2598788 12:59:05PM The spell 'Golden Touch' ran out of charges and expired. 878 +-87 791 422 174 2598788 12:59:02PM (-87 ) +56 Gold +14 Power +1 Aquamarine Puzzle Piece Nothing +15 Mana -87 878 +15 408 +14 145 +174 2598614 |
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 6:36 PM
jpl77never gotten a smashed anything
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- Posted April 14th 2013 at 7:14 PM
RaymondLast Edited April 14th 2013 at 7:19 PM smashed only happens when something is multiplied.
regular always happens when not multiplied. the occasional non-smashed regular happens when multiplied randomly. non-smashed is guaranteed when the sturdy vials is active. |
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- Posted April 15th 2013 at 4:15 AM
RaymondLast Edited April 15th 2013 at 4:16 AM here is a picture of things, in my recent experiment I have not hit any other sized shattered power and mana and of course have not hit any multiplied unshattered ones yet.
I also highlight a few inconsistencies. https://sites.google.com/site/rayjeromejobs/bw2ManaPowerFruitGold.jpg |
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