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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 8:03 AM
TsukasaWMOliver the Blade absolutely needs to be changed in some way shape or form. I don't know the fine details of the battle system so I'll leave that to someone else. The way the fight work is just absolute luck based shenanigans. Assassinate is way too over-powered and is garunteed to pretty much be a 1 hit kill on your companions and on you the majority of the time. The fact that he recovers HP on top of having a "1hk" move is just unfair, added to the fact that his speed/hp seem fairly high as well.
There have been numerous complaints in chat about this. I can totally understand that with the lack of content at the moment there needs to be things in place to hold players back from finishing things too fast. I get that, you get that, most people get that, this however is not the way to do that. If you need to stop people from getting too far in HoT or getting too many tokens, then put a max limit on the number of tokens per day, or make an actual end to HoT. Don't make a blatently OP boss, that most people are screwed against, and on top of that if you lose you're done for the day unless you spend money. It's a battle that you ultimately have no control over because regardless of your gear and skills you're basically screwed no matter what you do. The end result is simple. It's not fun, and this is the type of thing that's going to chase players away from this game. If you want to have a luck based battle, fine, then HoT needs to be changed to a different format, like unlimited revives/resets, but a maximum number of tokens per day. |
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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 12:35 PM
DefiarTsukasa,
Not everyone has a hard time with Oliver. There are a number of players that get by him on a daily basis including surviving a direct assassination attempt on their own character. A few of us have no problem with 2 assassination attempts as long as 1 of them is on a companion. Many of us were able to readily beat Oliver on the first day of HoT release. Also, there is an end to HoT, it is 4 levels after the troll boss. The troll boss is relatively unbeatable right now since the speed fix they implemented but will be possible once a player has their epics despite it being much higher in level than the players. |
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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 12:44 PM
TsukasaWMI'm not saying he's impossible, I'm saying based on personal experiences, plus numerous comments both on these forums and in the chat he's a problem. If he was the final boss for HoT I think it would be more understandable, but at this point it's a huge leap in difficulty compared to the preceding levels and one that isn't based on skill but just luck. It's not fun to keep losing to something that you both have limited chances against and can't even change your strategy for.
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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 1:04 PM
Nicci SchuLast Edited December 8th 2014 at 1:06 PM He's pretty tough. I agree with this post. I'd like it to change as well. the assassinate is really a way to keep people from getting further up and gaining tokens in my opinion. Besides not everyone is able to spend money on getting their characters up. I think it's pretty lame of the devs to put such a high hitting character at such a low level.
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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 4:07 PM
DefiarEveryone is going to complain about some boss. Next those that get past Oliver complain about Eliza. She is annoying. Others will complain about the spiders after that because OMG they are to fast and they stack the bleed on me.
It doesn't end. |
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- Posted December 8th 2014 at 7:48 PM
shikitenshidefiar I'll complain about both oliver and eliza.and it was way easier in the first days of hot. and it is pretty much impossible for warrior with that wimpish attack . I took either 2 assassinate or one assassinate + critical on a regular basis, that's 60-70 k each. changing gear doesn't help, respec doesn't help, luck and critical gear doesn't help so the only solution seems to be to buy a LOT of gems and recipes. and it's not fair being easier for just one class. I don't even want to think how it is for a new level 30 player who didn't play alfa. maybe they should find other solution like play hot on 2 levels of difficulty with a different number of tokens as reward. or let us play without a limited number of 2 tries.hall of trolls is plain boring for me and many others. boring and frustrating and no fun at all .we're glad you like it but maybe the few of you who can make it on a regular basis will remain here and play by themselves :P
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- Posted December 9th 2014 at 3:46 AM
TsukasaWM"Everyone is going to complain about some boss. Next those that get past Oliver complain about Eliza. She is annoying. Others will complain about the spiders after that because OMG they are to fast and they stack the bleed on me.
It doesn't end." So? If someone is reasonably frustrated then there's nothing wrong with saying that. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's great that the higher ended players are about to finish things easily, or with a reasonable challenge. But as the game grows and the player base does those players will become one of the extreme ends. I'm going into the fight as someone whose level 30, a wizard, multiple near max pieces of blue gear, points, maxed companions, a high number of university/guild upgrades, etc and while I've come close I still haven't beaten him. I had a far easier time soloing the desert MP then fighting 1 enemy. Even with all that going for me, I'm getting frustrated, I don't want to even imagine what the players who don't have as much time to put into the game feel. |
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- Posted December 10th 2014 at 10:59 AM
Ben StrijkerI just bought the shoes that give me an good speed boost, and now I can beat the Oliver the Blade. Before that I could not.
So ... just be patient and in due time you will be able to beat him. |
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- Posted December 11th 2014 at 7:10 PM
Justin Stocks (CNE Dev)Thank you for the feedback regarding Oliver. We've got a bunch of class balance changes planned for release soon, so I'd like to see how everything shakes out once those are released (there's a moderate damage boost in the patch for warriors and rangers), and then we'll see if Oliver needs some adjustments.
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- Posted December 11th 2014 at 8:29 PM
DefiarYay Justin! Thanks for the wonderful news!
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- Posted December 23rd 2014 at 8:31 PM
sunnydeeI am sick of Oliver. I have not been up against him when he hasnt used 3 assassinates. that pretty much means I can never beat him no matter what I try. I have the speed boots, I have everything enchanted to the top levels except 2 companion spots. I have compared my stats to others that tell me they beat him, and my stats are as good or even better so I dont get it. Its frustrating as heck to never even beat him, i would be happy to be able to beat him at least once a week but its getting tiring to even bother trying anymore. I add potions and even that doesnt help me
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- Posted December 24th 2014 at 5:06 AM
TsukasaWMSo, after playing for a few more weeks I wanted to update how I feel about this situation. Now that I've gotten a full set of MP equipment, a few HoT pieces and had some time to put some levels into paragon skills Oliver has gotten easier to the point where I can fairly consistantly beat him and then eliza. That said, it was still a huge hurdle to get over until I had at least enough HP to survive assassinate.
That said, I still think assassinate needs to be nerfed. Even as someone who plays everyday it took quite a bit of work to beat him, so much so that when I got to eliza I beat her on my 2nd try no problem. |
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