One question: HOW?!

All the best crusaders are unavailable, so...HOW?! I'm currently at almost 20-trillion idols and my Morrigan formation could barely make it to 1100. Is there a better formation to use? I can't imagine the talents are going to be able to push those extra 400 areas, so if anyone has already done it, any hints?

At a glance, it seems impossible to do entirely due to all the best crusaders being nuked. Unless someone knows something I don't, it's feeling a lot like the objective needs to be reworked.

To be fair, I didn't bother with using cards because it was 400 areas and I wouldn't think cards, even at insane quantities, could push anywhere NEAR that far. It's not like I don't have the cards to spare, but I didn't want to end up dumping some ABSURD amount of resources into what I thought would still end up being a failure anyway.

I'll probably do some idol farming to pump a few more levels into multiplicative talents before giving it another go and just...force myself to use cards lol I don't like using them, for the same reason I don't like using items in action RPGs - I believe everything in a game should be doable with non-optional tools, and items in RPGs are limited, making them optional and unreliable. At this stage in the game, cards are as common and plentiful as water, but it still feels icky to me to rely on them, especially to the tune of THOUSANDS being used for just one run. I've got 2500+ epic warps, but that's besides the point.

After pumping levels into talents for a while, I'll try the cards tactic, but....I'm gonna hate how it feels. Using Littlefoot could potentially be better, too. I was using Thalia because of the gold buff, but in retrospect, it might be better to dump everything into his gold find, use it two or three times, then switch all those mats into Littlefoot before avalanching warps on the team. Still unsure how that could amount to FOUR-HUNDRED AREAS, but I guess I'll see for myself soon enough.

As an aside, which area did you make it to before using the cards to progress?

UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHFINEILLDOIT! I hate using cards lol But the benefits outweigh my hangups. Mind posting a picture of the formation you used? If you remember. Same formation as Ghostbeard's Greed, so you'll be in that formation soon anyway. Pretty much NONE of the 'saders I ever use are available, so maybe you made a better formation than I did.

https://imgur.com/a/H0IEY02

These are the formations I use in the two best acts when idol farming. At least, that's what they look like by the end. I did end up beating the objective last night. Reallocating my materials made the most difference, but I also used about 25 epic warps with Littlefoot and 100 common/uncommon/rare DPS/Crit cards each. Still had to rely on well-timed Gold-o-Rama uses to push the last 30 areas.

The purpose of not mimicking Milgrid is because the Twins' provide an enormous boost based on human/females, and by mimicking Langley and setting Eva in the same column as Mindy, the "human/female" tags get spread across the entirety of 4 columns. Most of the formation becomes human/female, so the Twins' abilities get a gigantic boost. While typing this, I swapped Milgrid and Twins, let Mindy mimic Milgrid, and lost e8 DPS. Casey is in there because she's a 3L crusader for Wrena and is naturally human/female, so she can go into spots that aren't affected by the tag-spreading to add another human/female where the tag-spreading cannot reach.

Less important, but also of note: Twins are gold crusaders, so that tag gets spread out as well. Kaine's legendaries stack with XP and gold tags, so having him in the formation the whole time will accrue XP for one legendary, and when Eva comes in, his gold tag legendary pulls it's weight. Plus he's the only 3L gold finder in that slot that has a gold ability that can reasonably be spread using the aforementioned method, which amounts to a LOT of gold find. In the GG formation, with Kaine at 10/10/10, his legendary buffs from left to right (after a night-long run) for me are 197K/322K/51.2K

Although, I tried your formation and did get more DPS out of it. I went all in on the Twins' ability because I've been hitting the cap for so long I never even had to think about optimizing a formation. Completely missed the fact that the "female" and "human" tags can be retrieved from Mycall and Kaine, passed through the formation without Mindy adding a column, and gain Milgrid's effect as a result. When I figured out the tag-spreading trick, I just went "Cool", went all-in on that, never didn't hit the cap with incredible ease, and never needed to question it. Thanks for the formation suggestion. The downside to having so many idols is that the game becomes easy and critical analysis becomes less and less necessary, and therefor, forgotten lol However...

What do you mean you can't find a use for Casey? Like I said, I just copied your formation, but all I did was swap out Euodia for Casey and got nearly e2 more DPS out of it. Both have the same level legendaries, and Euodia's slot, for me, even has over 1000 more EP (not that it really matters), but Casey being in the formation is just overtly better. Euodia's mask doesn't affect Wrena in that formation because she's human, so Euodia becomes a 2L crusader.

Yup, 10s for the most part, but that won't be the case soon. I'm very close to bringing Wrena's amulet from 13 to 14 without needing to sacrifice too many levels. Once everyone is at 10, I'll bring them down to 9 (maybe some 8s) to bring her amulet to 14. I've only got 4 (meaningful) level 9s left before the biggun. Shouldn't her amulet be kept no more than 5 levels above the average, at most? 4 is more ideal. Hence why I've waited so long. Approximately 30 legendaries being brought down one level is 2^30, so 536,870,912x damage. Ergo, about 5.3e8. Another whole level would raise that much higher, and going from amulet level 13 to 14 is...like e14, right? Maybe slightly lower. Did I do all that math right?

I don't know how to check EXACT material numbers, but I'd guess somewhere in the vicinity of 4mil commons? Considering 127,000 (amount for 1 level 10) X 30 (ish), then add in Wrena's level 13 and whatever other random mats are floating around auxiliary crusaders not used in my main formation (Aegis, Robosanta, etc).

P.S. Using your formation idea, I hit a reset of about 980,000,000,000 idols lol

That's definitely how I felt when I leveled Wrena to 13. The legendaries all being lower meant it was easier to level them back up. It's what I'm looking forward to after reaching 14.

Little tips on how I play the game: I have a job, so my main idol runs start when I leave for work and when I go to sleep. Since I know how long the idol runs take to finish, if there's only a few hours before work or bed, I do chest-farming runs since they only take about 45-50 minutes. I keep doing those until about 10 minutes before sleep or work, then start an idol run. Speed(ish) formation with one DPS-support switched in for work to keep the formation going until I get back, and my DPS formation with Thalia switching in for sleep so it'll go as far as possible and still benefit from Storm Riders.

Playing like this gets me tons of chests and makes sure the Free Play bonus for all acts is pretty much constantly maxed.

I'd recommend that whenever you do have time to babysit the game, prioritize chest runs just to cap off your materials. Idols are great and all, of course, but if you fall behind on materials, you'll feel it.

Yup, Thalia. For a while, I considered Frosty, but wasn't too sure about how much of a difference it would actually make, and I like the gold buff helping me build my formation faster. I'll try Frosty for a few runs and let you know if it makes any meaningful difference, though. It has been confirmed that Thalia's gold buff doesn't affect DPS, fyi.

Yup, same four acts for me, except that thanks to chest farming, I basically just swap between GG and RP2 and use MFR as an alternate idol farm if there's a situation where I want idols but don't want to use up the FPB on GG. For example, heading out for midday plans not involving work or sleep and a normal chest run will be long since over by the time I get back, so I just start an "auxiliary idol run" while I'm away to get chests and idols the whole time. I prefer saving GG and RP2 for overnight runs so their higher idol counts are affected by the time bonus.


UPDATE: Just did GG again with Frosty overnight, and even after some INCREDIBLE luck with insta-cooldowns at the beginning which let me do something like 8 Magnify/StormRider combos, it amounted to nothing more than a Thalia run. Only pushed 1 extra area, and not even past a boss area. Just from 5017 to 5018.

Don't let any of us take away your happiness for reaching a new high lol I remember way back when I was overjoyed for my first 1mil+ reset, and I'll be just as happy when I eventually do a 1quad reset in a few years lol It's all a part of progression. You made a big leap in your own game. Be proud of that regardless of what anyone else has accomplished, because those people who've done more had to be at your point in the past at some point. Don't think about it as not stacking up to someone else. Think about it as learning that such a thing is possible and now you have a long-term goal to look forward to. Idle games are about patience and dedication paying off. So let them pay off. You'll be resetting for 1tril+ eventually, too.