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Interesting feedback, Animenut. I'm looking forward trying them out.

And just to add from the Q&A and Justin's answer to one of the questions:

> The new level cap will be 8000. Though it'll cost you. A lot.

[edit] OK, going for a more extensive post with this edit.

@Aniemenut, based on the blog post and Justin and Erika's answers during the Q&A so far:

About instant satisfaction: I would think, the RNG is with every activation of abilities. So the benefit lies within the ability itself. If you can make use of Firestorm, you very likely can make use of Firestorm being instantly cooled down. Does make Storm Rider sense to you? Then it makes sense if you can use it twice in a row. Especially after using it with Frosty.
So, yeah, in general, this talent doesn't have as high an impact as other ones might have, but I definately can see a benefit here and will get at least L1 - and complain about the horrible RNG, probably :)

Idols Over Time: As it is being an addition, it benefits you for every run. And it gives you partial buffs, too. So you benefit from the first second onwards adding another multiplier to the Deep Idol Scavenger Talent and your base crusader levels. And up to 50% per 2 hours? So, 4.16 per minute? I'ld take that. Probably not my first priority in fully maxing, but I'm still well below the first 1M anyway. But again, depending on the initial cost, something I'ld look into getting to level one or two, maybe.

Sprint Mode: I don't think it offsets Idols Over Time, given that Idols Over Time adds to your result. Even if you ran run to 500, you're still away from resetting given the reset fatigue and the new level cap. So, at least you will run for half an hour giving you up to 12.5% [edit, sorry about the mistake, there] on top regardless whether you are still at level 1, 500 or somewhere past 1K. I'ld rather see Sprint Mode - if it really works with the timer - as an awesome addition for daytime runs. Get the run started, your formation set up until level 4, check again 15 minutes later and you're post level 500. Wow! Even if only at level 1 or two, I can see quite a lot of benefits, there. Given that your gold gain is quite a bit higher at level 100+ than when spending four or five minutes with regular speed, you can idle longer after that, needing less time if you're not playing on mobile (something I still shy away from).

Adding to your great points:

The new level cap is at 8,000. This will be fun to see. Oh, and especially interesting for not-so-high-idol-players. The last T3-talents are more expensive than at least the first few of T4, it seems. Thanks so much in the name of the players not having all Talents maxed so far!

Changing of the legendary effects: It's about time and makes sense. Even though this might seem bad for a lot of players, from my perspective this makes sense, having the game in mind from a long-term perspective. The new talents seem to add to our idol gain quite nicely which is awesome and should compensate in case someone is feeling robbed from their precious idol gains. Especially with the possibility to disenchant legendary gear. Seems as if we haven't wasted catalysts or material investing in Robo's hat then :)

Also, animated Golden Legendary Items, what a wonderful addition!

Think Pete will still have a place in the formation? just not worth lvl 8? I've got him at level 5's which seems may still be a good balance between cost and diminishing returns and leave him a decent booster (just not quite as super as he is now). Or am i wrong and this will make him totally useless?

He has nothing else going for him, no useful abilities whatsoever and his other legendaries have contradictory effects. RIP Pete.

Nothing was mentioned regarding this. From my point of view, though, this isn't an issue since this bonus is additive. And while you might gain quite a huge bonus out of it once you reset after weeks, it probably isn't close to as high as the gain you would have received when playing actively in that time.

Thanks for the responses. I probably should have stated my reasoning. I have an upcoming business trip where I'll be away from my PC for several weeks. I was thinking of linking to mobile, but even if I do I will have extremely limited play time during the work week. If this talent doesn't cap out after a day or whatever time frame it will be a huge help, and I'll be levelling it up as much as possible before the trip.

Lovely update!

Now for some feedback on the talents:

ACTIVE:
* Extended Spawns - Boring, but quite useful I guess? Could have been more interesting, but got no suggestions right now.

* Clicktastrophy - Does it mean successive clicks on a specific enemy? Or in general? If in general, how long does it last? Would like to know how this one works more specifically.

* Instant Satisfaction - While RNG-based (which I generally hate), I still think it is a rather neat one. Perfect for Frosty's Legendary Storm Rider :)

PASSIVE:
* Idle Increases - Only talent which I -DESPISE-; It completely goes against the clicking style (not to mention, it isn't particularly strong either). I'd rather have a talent like this:
* The Journey Counts - Increased the DPS of all Crusaders by X% (very small number on X), multiplied by your highest area ever completed.
That talent has a bigger milestone to it; It depends not only on the talent itself, but also how far you may have pushed your max area distance. Personally, a more interesting talent if I may say so.

* Legendary Benefits - Simple, but good. Makes your crafting have that "milestone" effect too. I really like that :)

* Idols Over Time - *DROOLS* Amazing talent! I have time to reset like once per day, so this talent is absolutely amazing for someone like me. THANK YOU for this talent!

UTILITY:
* Sprint Mode - Interesting and very powerful. Will definitely at least invest a point or two in this talent for easier startups.

* Superior Training - While the same effect as Extra Training, it's still a good talent. I like it too.

Azamagon, I greatly disagree with your thoughts on Idle Increases. Considering standard idol-farming runs involve absolutely no clicking, this is just an out and out DPS buff, no strings attached, up to 400% solely for existing. Besides, Clickatastrophe offsets Idle Increases greatly. If you use clickers a lot, then Clickatastrophe is really useful and greatly rewarding. If you don't use clickers, Idle gives you a no-attention-needed DPS buff. If you have both, switching between the two is seamless since both buffs give the same percentages.

Zvereck, Idle is for people who never/rarely use clickers so they can get a reliable, constant buff. The costs of ALL the tier 4 talents are completely absurd for a reason. They are meant to be long-term idol dumps. The costs of the tier 4 talents is largely irrelevant for that reason. The "Too much for too little" debate is moot because the "too much" part is a given and the "too little" is arguable.

Spring Mode is not broken. It encourages you to use speed buffs, which then also get buffed by "Extended Spawns". Pop a speed buff at the start of a run and you'll...well...speed ahead. Or at least wait until you can purchase Baenarall's ability for a no-card-needed constant speed buff.

Legendary Benefits is something I can see upsetting players until they realize that it is 1% PER LEGENDARY. That adds up. I think I have something like 30 legendaries right now. That's 30% per talent level. That's pretty good, and will only get better as I get more legendaries weekly.

Zevereck, the Idle increase talent is showing you a lack of creativity? The one talent which was the most expected one - I admit - is the only one of the pack players would complain about if it was absent. Animenut has pointed out about the cost/gain factor so I'm just writing: Second this!

Sprint Mode needs two seconds? Nope, it doesn't. As pointed out in CNE's communication, spawn speed buffs are needed if you don't have the right setup. If you are able to have T4 talents, chances are more than good you can set up your formation to benefit without spending spawn buffs. If not, my recommendation would be to spend some idols in the 'Extended Spawns'-talent first.

Legendary Benefits is not impressive? Of course not. This is the passive tree. For talents that help you if you simply keep idling.

And more in general: Yeah, there are a lot of ideas out there about talents. But CNE has a valid interest in keeping everything balanced and realistic to implement.

I for one am very happy the talents themselves work fine as ar as I can see. The disenchanting is pretty cool and invites us to experiment around more than before. And also, the first 14 levels of Superior Training are less expensive than L 39 of Extra Training - there's to your outrage of cost again ;-)