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Warwick concerns
781 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 24th 2017 at 3:40 PM Animenut To the devs, or anyone who can answer this, is Warwick somewhere in consideration for being re-balanced? It has been mentioned before, but has been a little while and just wanted to check up on it. When new crusaders are not quite as useful as older ones, it doesn't really bother me since that's just how things go, but clicking crusaders are a special case. They are the ONLY crusaders able to make use of the clicking function. Every other slot is filled with a variety of DPSers, healers, buffers, supporters, etc, but the clicking slot is exclusively the only crusaders that can use clicking to their effects. This means each crusader should fulfill a unique, but useful purpose, since each new crusader in that slot is an important, unique case. Bush Whacker is a useful general-purpose damage dealer, Robo-Bunny is good for tactically nuking bosses, but Warwick just...doesn't...do anything. His damage buff is only somewhat useful, but doesn't even register in the same zip code as the other two clickers, which is a real shame considering his "Soul Harvest" ability is a GREAT idea for a clicker. I know the devs probably have a laundry list of things to handle, so I am definitely not pressuring anyone to move it up the list above other, more important things, or rushing anyone. I'd just like to know if re-evaluating Warwick is on the list at all, because it is a real shame that such an interesting crusader would be so lackluster. I would LOVE to use him. I just never have any reason to.
257 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 24th 2017 at 4:05 PM snow I have to agree with you insofar a that there are quite a few crusaders, some basic, some event, that are rather lackluster compared to others. It is my understanding that further balancing will occur after making sure that crafting works as designed and seeing how added effects from legendary items affect the usefulness of individual crusaders. In the case of clickers it is probably hard to outdo Bushy in sheer dps or utility at this time due to the level of synergy with other crusaders he has, whereas event crusaders typically have only synergy effects with the other event crusader of their tier, if at all. And at this time only t1 crusaders have access to golden gear that adds a 50% bonus to the primary effect of epic or legendary cards. Also keep in mind that with the ongoing introduction of new crusaders the usefulness of a lot of crusaders has changed dramatically and will continue to do so. Take, for instance, robots. The more of them that there are, the more powerful they become. Initially I hardly used my few robots, but they become a more and more viable option. So: give it time.
692 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 26th 2017 at 1:06 PM Teschio Unless a clicking crusader has Swordplay, he will always be useless. Even ignoring that fact that multiple crusaders buff Swordplay directly, the damage you can get from it is unparalleled by any other clicking crusader's skill. In my farming formation, a single click does 10 times the damage I get in a second, and that is WITHOUT taking into account criticals (and when you have 78% chance of a x12.4 critical like I do, that's a MASSIVE damage boost!). Over 99.9% of my total damage comes from clicks, there isn't a single skill you can give that can match that. Clicking crusaders ALL need a variation of Swordplay (i.e., part of DPS as clicking damage) to be viable. Without it, they are trash.
10 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 26th 2017 at 7:15 PM malor89 Warwick does have a use. He can generate a huge amount of gold using Gold-a-rama, actually making Gold-o-rama somewhat worthwhile.
692 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 26th 2017 at 9:08 PM Teschio Irrelevant. You can get A LOT more gold by progressing with the Bush Whacker. Gold increases exponentially, if you can advance a few dozen stages thanks to the BW (and you most definitely can), you'll end up with much more gold than with the useless Warwick.
10 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 27th 2017 at 6:19 AM Last Edited March 27th 2017 at 6:20 AM malor89 You are making the assumption that you can progress with Bush Whacker, but that eventually ends, even with buffs. I could easily get 75 or more level increase in one go using Warwick, gold-o-rama and all my gold finders on the current highest boss level. As long as you aren't level capped, he definitely has a use.
692 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 27th 2017 at 7:09 AM Teschio mmmh, that's true. I didn't consider it because I'm always capped, I stopped using gold finding crusaders altogether
781 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 27th 2017 at 9:38 AM Animenut The thing is, though, that using Warwick just for his synergy with Gold-O-Rama really doesn't validate him as a crusader. Is it a good way to pump out a ton of extra gold quickly? For sure, but that is really only useful at the veeeeeery end of a run to push a few more areas, making his use just a bit TOO niche to be considered useful. It is too specific and limited a use for it to validate an entire character's existence. If you want a ton of extra gold, just make Gold Panda's Clover gear into a legendary (if you can) to get a stupidly huge gold boost from that. Probably gives more per enemy, and without needing you to stick around to click, AND works throughout an entire run. Summarized point: Having a clicker be used for gold find CAN potentially work if it somehow affects damage in a way that can even register on Bush Whacker's radar, but no crusader's worth should be entirely dependent on synergizing with a time-limited ability that comes from an entirely different crusader.
130 Posts	Link to post - Posted March 28th 2017 at 5:35 PM Azamagon Warwick is not a good clicker, indeed. But, let's think of HOW we could make him (and slightly so, RoboRabbit) a better clicker. Here are my ideas: 1) All Crusaders which buff Swordplay, maybe change them to simply buff total clickdamage? (So it works for ANY clicker, pretty much) 2) Warwick's Syphon - Maybe change it to be 5% of team's DPS -> Click damage. 3) Warwick's Toil - How about making it an automatic passive clicking talent? Like, he clicks 1 time/sec? (Note: If this feels "unfair" to have solely on Warwick, this passive clicker could be given for the other clickers too, with some rearrangement to their other skills. Gnaw fits as this skill for RoboRabbit, as does Cliques on Bushwhacker and Point Get on Graham) 4) Warwick's Curse of Weakness - It seems to only buff passive DPS, but not clickdamage. Why not let it affect clickdamage too?
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