Erika, when you make Tier 4?

Now are we talking Tier 4 talents? or Tier 4 objectives?

Maybe Tier 4 Talent can unlock at area 900.
EDIT: I guess in reality it would be area 1200...

Both of which I would love to see!

Granted I haven't bought Tier 2 yet. But that is only b/c I have been having trouble getting out of the FP loop!

Andreas,

I've been offended by quite a bit I've read here, by several people. Including quite a few posts by Mr. Teschio.

However, I see no reason not to comment on a topic that I think is worth commenting on. As long as everyone can keep it civil. We can have adult conversations right?

There is no reasons to attack someone and call them a Troll when they are not doing anything wrong.

After all there is nothing wrong with a little spirited debate once in awhile. ^.^

And may I point out Teschio mentioned "event tier 2 objectives" so clearly not someone to take 100% seriously.

Amanda, absolutely fine :) It was just a warning of what might happen. Of course, discussing things is what we all are here for :) And I'm ok with heated discussions. After all, most of the users here are not speaking english as their first language. So, intended or not, some sentences come across the wrong way any times. However, and as you can see, some people are very clear in their intentions. So, warning others as they are engaging them is something I wouldn't call an attack on the person offending others again and again, but a community service.

However, let's talk about the topic at hand then: My best guess from the cryptic first post in this thread is: Unlocking Tier 4 objectives is meant since the chances are high some players already made it through all tier 3 objectives. My personal thought on this: Unless something is done with the level cap beforehand, there is hardly any need for level 4 objectives. Even less with the new campaign at hand.

Teschio, are you sure you mean tier 2 'Teacher's Pet' and not Teacher's Pet in Tier 3? Everytime I heard about that objective it was the only one in T3 that wasn't doable.

Anyway, I don't think any further discussion here makes very much sense, since the ones in potential favor of the request are zaqqaz and Amanda. One has called me an idiot once more (5th time if I recall correctly, so one more and I am at the same level as the Devs ... still doable I think), and one hasn't started on tier 2 objectives.

@ Andreas: yes, I am sure. It requires you to reach level 700, which is impossible with the current level cap (you max out all crusaders around level 630)

@ Amanda: all players that reached level 1000 (me included) have done so using (abusing?) Alan's Resurrection skill, but this was BEFORE he was nerfed for that very reason. This was the only way to get to 1000, because with pure DPS or clicking builds you CANNOT do it. Level cap ensures it's completely impossible. BTW, if you haven't started Tier 2 objectives yet, maybe it's not very reasonable to say that a statement regarding said objectives makes the person saying it untrustworthy... how can you judge the validity of a statement about something that by your own admission you do not know?

Anyway, regarding the topic, I think as long as the level cap is in place it would make no sense to have tier 4 objectives which would not be possible BECAUSE of the cap. This is a reason sufficient enough to rework how the cap works, but perhaps the best reason is that people who reach it easily don't have anything to look forward to, and lose interest in the game... I mean, in my farming free runs I usually get Alien to level 5000, what's the point of farming if I already reach a wall?

Who talked about events? I am explicitly referring to Teacher's Pet, which is an objective in the Mugwart's campaign. I said it's the ONLY tier 2 objective which is impossible to complete, and I stand by my statement. I don't know why you thought I was talking about events...

No, I did not max out all the talents, but I calculated how much my DPS would increase if they WERE all maxed out, and it is still not enough to complete Tier 2 Teacher's Pet. Not even close. The point is, yes, you can still increase talents, but what's the point of increasing your DPS (talents do that, basically), if I can ALREADY reach 100k levels in every free play run? It's not like I ran out of things to improve, it's that those improvements have absolutely NO impact on the game. They give me DPS I don't need (since I already max all crusaders), and they don't help with impossible objectives either. This leads to a lack of motivation. BTW, I couldn't find anywhere a statement regarding an increase in level cap, which you talk about like it's a sure thing. Actually, I read Erika said quite the opposite, which is that it's an issue that affects few players and therefore is not a priority.

See, the problem is that Teacher's Pet is NOT impossible because I don't have enough idols. Even if I had TEN TIMES the idols I have now (which would be 3.9 MILLIONS), and ALL talents maxed out, AND 5000 EPs on every single crusader, AND epics/GEs all around, that objective would STILL be impossible. Which is frustrating. I am here for the long run as well, and I do have patience, but if something is impossible ONLY for a limit of the game, then this becomes frustrating. As it is frustrating having 100k levels in every free run without any effort, but knowing you could never get more than that. This is why Tier 4 objectives are absurd: a tier 2 one and many tier 3 ones are completely impossible, and will ALWAYS be impossible unless the level cap is increased, so I really don't see the point of having tier 4 ones, at least for now. And I don't see why we should have tier 4 talents: to unlock them, you would need to get to a level which, again, is impossible to reach with the current state of the game (it WAS possible if you abused Alan's skill, which is why it was heavily nerfed...)

EDIT: Oh, I see now, I re-read my original post, and it was just a typo: I meant "even", not "evenT"... my mistake, although what I meant was pretty clear since I named the specific name of the objective that is impossible to get, and it's not an evenT objective... English isn't my first language so proofreading doesn't always work, sorry for the confusion.

It wouldn't make much sense to have a tier 4 talent that increases the level cap, because you could not unlock tier 4 talents (assuming you require to reach area 1000 or 1200 to unlock them) while the cap is in place... a tier 3 one is a completely different story, since area 600 is easy to reach.

You don't seem to understand... it doesn't matter how many DPS boosting talents they release, if they don't increase the cap reaching level 1000 or 1200 is IMPOSSIBLE. It will ALWAYS be impossible. Not just hard, really, truly impossible. Not improbable, I am talking about real mathematical impossibility. Monster health increase exponentially, while your damage stays the same. Unless there is a talent that multiplies your damage by 10^50 (I'm pretty sure they won't do such a thing, and probably even THAT would not be enough if you have to reach 1200), it will NOT be useful to reach such high areas with the level cap in place. Do me a favor, if you think that I am wrong and that pure farming or talents can get you to whatever area you want, just play a little more, reach about 300k idols, and then you can judge by yourself. You are used to the game looking like this: you instakill for a long time, then you slow down a little, and eventually monster health increases more than your DPS does and you stop. But this is because you didn't reach a hard wall like the level cap: with that, it's not that your DPS increases too slowly, it stops abruptly. Progressing after that isn't hard, it's truly impossible. You can try it out by yourself: self-impose a limit of 3-4k levels on every crusader, see how much more you progress after you reach it. My guess is no more than 50 levels (and this is only if you were instakilling easily, otherwise even 10 levels are enough to give you trouble). Now imagine having to do HUNDREDS of levels in those conditions. As I said, it's utterly impossible. It's not my opinion, it's math, and math has a tencendy to be right wether you like it or not.

> what makes you think I have less than that?

Bcse you dont know about - talant after 20 level is useless.

level 20 Well Equipped give you 5% DPS, lvl 40 - 2.3%

but to go to the next 5 area you need x2 (+100% DPS), so talents good in frist 10 levels - after talent bonus will be very small.


PS. to go to the next 50 area you need 2^10=x1024 bonus. +102 300%