Who is quitting? The only person that kept on telling people to leave the game is Kenshin. Argue? So when people reply to my post, I'm not allow to defend my point? Seem that I have send invisible signal to people's brain so can come to this thread and tell me that I make invalid argument.

Sarumaru, if you can think of better ones feel free to suggest them. I said that there could be other useful things, doesn't mean I want the ones we currently have to be replaced. And I'll say this again since you missunderstood me the last two post, just because I agree there could be other talents does NOT mean I think there is anything wrong with the current ones. I really like the new talents, I'm hoping they don't take them away.

The price for the Max LVLs button seems too low to me, I think it costing 75 Idols would be better. Also the chest one should be cheaper, maybe also 50 Idols. That way we pay the same 125, and get the same skills, but the less useful one is cheaper.

Anyway Sarumaru, I will be done this topic now since it isn't constructive at all, if you have suggestions feel free to post them in a new thread or the suggestions threads. Because of the way you started this thread(your first post is pretty trolly) it will never be useful for discussing anything constructive and you should just accept that. Also feel free to discuss this stuff in kong/steam chat since it is a much better venue to talk about things like this.

PS: If you're wondering why everyone is calling you a troll Sarumaru, just reread your first, second, and third post in the thread and you should understand.

Sarumaru, just because I think there is something that can be replaced, doesn't mean I have anything against the thing being replaced. So when I answered I said, Yes there can be stuff used to replace it, but it doesn't need to be replaced in my opinion since its already a good skill. If anything just leave it and add other stuff in addition to whats already there.

The part that you are misunderstanding is that just because I answered yes to that questions, that I in anyway agree with your point that it should be replace or is a bad skill, which I was trying to clarify.

Basically

Can it be replaced? Yes (your question)
Should it be replaced? No (my clarification)

Also a little sarcasm and devils advocate? To me it was whining, slippery slope fallacies and bad arguments that weren't thought through. Some may call that intentional trolling.

'Basically Can it be replaced? Yes (your question)
Should it be replaced? No (my clarification)'

So you decided to pick apart a key part of the question but decided to ignore the question entirely.

First you answer yes to other useful talents being there 'instead.' Then you say it should not be replace. You really need to make up your mind.

Again Sarumaru, reread your question. "Are there other useful talent that can be put in the utility tree instead?" Now reread it again. Now reread it a third time. You question just asked IF there exist other talents that could replace the current one. I answered YES there are other talents that could replace it.

No where in your question, does it ask SHOULD we replace it. If you question was "Should we replace the current talent with something else?" my answer would be "in my opinion no, we shouldn't." Hence why I wrote a clarification, and another clarification, and another clarification.

So let me write this as clearly as I can make my position.

Yes I agree that it can be replaced, but I don't think it should.

Are there, meaning does there exist. In what world does "Are there" mean "Should we".

"Are there other restaurants to eat at?" Yes, there are a lot.
"Should we eat at another restaurant?" No, even if there are others I like this one.

If there are other useful talents, why should we not replace the current talents and just give the players without costing idol. Players should just be able to unlock these buttons eventually. Now the utility tree can serve its purpose instead of 'game fix.'

Because I don't think the buy all lvls button is a game fix. It makes a huge part of the game(using money smartly to maximize lvls and idols) and turns it into a button you can push. Basically walking vs flying in pokemon. It SHOULD COST SOMETHING.

Now speaking of the chest opening one. I would be more opening to changing that maybe. I still think it should be gated so stupid ppl don't accidentally open 100 chest. But again I see no problem with having something only ppl will use late game, cost idols. It makes a huge part of the game trivial(opening chest). But I won't defend this one as much since I really wouldn't mind if they gave everyone a 1 and 5 chest open option, and the 25/100 be idol shop upgrade(that cost maybe 75 idols). That would be more balanced.


" Players should just be able to unlock these buttons eventually. " I 100% agree, players should like be required to do something, in game to earn these buttons and unlock them. Maybe like a quest where you reset 3-4 times and you get the button, but for those resets you get no idols. Or we could just let ppl buy them and make it simple, maybe some type of idol shop....?

Auto Progress does cost something, its unlocked on your first reset. You need to reset once to get it. It's cost is super low but that's understandable since this is an idle game.

The Pokemon analogy is perfectly valid, I don't see how you don't understand it. You keep saying apples and oranges just because its a different genre, but the concept unlock features that makes the game easier midway through the game after doing or paying some price is what we are talking about. Its called an analogy for a reason.

Yes I think chest should be easier to open. I have no problem with how they implemented it, just think its slightly over priced. I have suggested an improvement, 1 and 5 chest would be free, 25 and 100 chest should cost 75 idols. But I don't mind them not changing it at all TBH.

Everyone was calling you stupid because of how your phrased your post. I don't think many people would have a problem with them making chest lag less when opened. Maybe you need to reexamine how you post and what you are trying to say before yelling at other ppl and playing the victim card so much?

It should not be unlocked by default. Or if it is, when you get to 1k idols you auto lose 25 idols and it unlocks. There now it unlocks by default. The whole point of the idol shop is so you can choose when to buy it. Idols are a currency in game. You can spend it on whatever you want.

Also it's not other peoples fault you are being unclear. Just a few post ago you misunderstood what your own words meant. Then you deleted what you wrote after you understood. If one person doesn't understand maybe they are slow, When everyone in the thread doesn't understand you, maybe the problem might be what you have been posting?

Please explain to me how my analogy doesn't make sense. Everyone else seems to understand except you.

It could just unlock when a player reach 1000 idol. The 25 idols is the extra 'step' that I mention, which is pointless.

So when people do not understand, they need to invite them self to criticize the person and not the statement. When you mention everyone do not understand me...everyone, this imply you and the rest that posted here. I see that you speak for them as well. People are free to chose whether to reply or not. If there is a problem, stay away.

Everyone(that word again, I hope you can confirm that this is true) understand your analogy, people say apples and oranges because they are two DIFFERENT fruits. Just like Pokemon and CotLI, two DIFFERENT genre of games with different gameplay.