Lol, most players have hard time with it? No one has a hard time, you just auto progress, instakill and reset. It never was "hard", it was boring to level up everyone, which is now fixed. And "clearly" I'm cheating for getting 30 idols per hour. You know, cause I'm prohibited from opening chests and using buffs to advance to areas faster. I HAVE to get 27/28 idols if you say so, anything more than that is cheating. Not to mention I said "125 idols is probably like 4h of farming". I guess you don't know what "probably like" means.

And yeah, I assumed you are a new player cause I still haven't met any veteran player who was actually sad to "lose" 125 idols. Not a single one even blinked at the price. 125 idols are a joke. But yeah, I see you're not a new player, just a good ol' plain troll. Well, I had it coming for feeding you. Go back to your cave and let the rest of us enjoy the game. As I should, you are the one that started a thread just for crying, so if you don't like what CE did go and find another game.

the only people who speak for the developers are the developers.
this is a community forums and the devs occasionally participate, but you will know when they do, and i expect them to take action on this contentious post very soon

You seem to lack the ability to understand the term 'devil's advocate' and the purpose behind it.

I don't remember making any attack, all I was trying to do is make a point. But this user couldn't see the point so the user claim that I am complaining, trolling, whining...

Posted this to Kong so I will repost it here.

Seriously, I think its a huge part of the game and is working as intended, so an upgrade like that shouldn’t be a default UI feature and should definitely carry some cost. The “Buy all levels” is significantly different than the 10/25/100 lvl function thats already in the game. Before you would need to actually spread your gold and min/max your gold to get the correct lvls and that’s the way the game is designed to function(punishment for if you forget to lvl a crusader up, or if you just throw all your money onto main dps and neglect the other ppl). The game is designed so you are free to spend your money on whatever you want, it shouldn’t automatically give you max efficiency idols by default. I bet if they added it for free, half the ppl who complained would turn around and say “Why the hell is there a button, why doesn’t it just give me the max idols?!?! I’ve earned them! I shouldn’t have to push a button to get them! THIS IS BULLSHIT!”

The bike/flying in Pokemon would be a better example for the button. At the start of the game you can only travel around slowly, and half way through it they let you get a bike if you do a certain quest(Bike voucher) or fly(HM) to a certain city on a pokemon . Walking, Biking and Flying are all ways to travel but some are way faster. Is this game broken because you cant bike/fly from the start?


Also, Sarumaru, no one has a problem with you posting a complain, but almost every post you have made is filled with false equivalencies and nonsensical arguments. Your framing it as "a function that should be defalt" where most of us disagree and see it as something that you should earn/bought. Also you're playing up the slippery slope argument perfectly too, oh they charge idols for this, therefore they will charge idols for everything now?

Again, I have no problem with you or anyone complaining or saying something is a bad feature, but please use actual arguments and sound logic, not whatever you have been typing.

@Kenshin
How ironic that there are only 2 thread on kongregate about talent tree and both of the OP say game features like 'buy level/open chests' should be standard. When you say 'wasn't hiding behind his finger', are you trying to say that since you do not comprehend my words, that my fingers are needed to type the words so I'm hiding behind my fingers. Seem like you are digressing but please explain what you mean. I don't remember ever saying the patch was not good and the features/button 'buy level/open chest' was bad. Again, you do not seem to understand my posts and got offended so you invite yourself to attack me because I'm just a whiner. Bonus fact for you, in Clicker Heroes players cannot buy artifacts.

@kruch
So you are telling me that useless features such as hiding the contains within a chest after opening it just to waste time, then when players insist that it is tedious opening the chest[s], instead of just fixing the problem, the developers add steps for players to get the fix. This implies that future 'fix' will require players to take steps. If you don't understand my argument, please do not assume everyone is on the same level as you.

Is opening 100 chests button a good idea? 9 out of 10 players will have thousands of chests and use this button frequently. If you ever need to click this button then you are doing something wrong.

Pokemon? So you are comparing a game that has adventure/exploring/traveling element with an idle game. Comparing apples and oranges, it seem that you demand people to make sound arguments but you don't have to, people call this double standard.

I have 4.5k idols which is less than some of the people who commented. I laughed when I saw the price of the talents because it was so cheap. I was more than willing to spend 1,000 idols for those two features (even if they were 1,000 each!) because I wanted them enough. This is an idle game. Idle games are kind of known for needing to make sacrifices to further yourself in the game. You have to weigh whether spending the idols is worthwhile to you at this point in the game. If it is too much of a hit, then don't do it. But if you really want the features and you meet the requirements, then don't complain and just spend the idols and get over it.

@TsukasaWM
Since you accuse me of being a troll, you are feeding the troll since you have no productive argument, there is a rule here on this board against 'feeding the troll', but I guess this is does not apply to the die-hard fanboys/girls that cannot see their own fault or flaw game design.

@Koala
Clearly I'm complaining that the talents are too expensive and not worth buying.

@kruch
Yes, the argument is valid because things can be improved and you said it.

So we are we are playing the question game? I like this part.

Is the chest drop from boss a bad feature?
Is the chest opening feature bad and tedious?
Is it hard implement a 'chest opening' that reveal the contents within the chest and have a 'collect all' button?
Does new players have to put up with bad interface?
Are there other useful talent that can be put in the utility tree instead?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your "questions" but I will answer them.

Is the chest drop from boss a bad feature? No, it's a main part of the game getting chest from boss.

Is the chest opening feature bad and tedious? It is slightly slow because of the lag and tedious if you have too many, hence why the devs made a way so we can open a lot of chest at once, for a cost.

Is it hard implement a 'chest opening' that reveal the contents within the chest and have a 'collect all' button? No, this would be a fine feature to add, put it in the suggestion thread, "Make it easier to open single chest" and it would be fine to add that without it being in the idol shop.

Does new players have to put up with bad interface? Nope, that's why there is a suggestion thread, so they can improve things. They have already improved a lot of smaller annoyances and will continue to improve the interface. Mostly just fixes, sometimes with idol shop, depends on what the devs deem appropriate.

Are there other useful talent that can be put in the utility tree instead? Yes, and they will be adding more stuff to idol shop after they can balance them. This is after all, just a sneak peak.


Again I don't think you understood the point I was making so I won't try to reiterate it but you can read my prior post again.

Let me add this, although you dislike that the devs are improving the game using the idol shop, a lot of us think it is a good idea(but this does not mean we want EVER improvement to be through the idol shop). It gives people goals to work toward and actual decisions to make. Features being gated behind a shop isn't new, nor is it a bad thing, as long as they only charge idols and not real money for it, I'm good.

'Is the chest drop from boss a bad feature? No, it's a main part of the game getting chest from boss.'
The feature require you to click on the chest and go through a special screen and click again or wait ~10 second is a good idea to you? Wouldn't getting chest like gems be better?

'Is it hard implement a 'chest opening' that reveal the contents within the chest and have a 'collect all' button? No, this would be a fine feature to add, put it in the suggestion thread, "Make it easier to open single chest" and it would be fine to add that without it being in the idol shop.'
Last time I check I made this thread so we can discuss ways to improve the game due to changes in the current patch. But people fail to understand this. Not sure what I can say.

'Are there other useful talent that can be put in the utility tree instead? Yes, and they will be adding stuff more stuff to idol shop after they can balance them.'
Not sure if you read the question, the key word was 'instead' and you did answer yes.